Comet's Colors do NOT need to be changed

[secretstarfire]

Hello. I am opposing to Comet changing her color. I got the whole idea from seeing an appaloosa at an appaloosa show that is the exact same color. Also, I searched it and found a few results with black horses with chestnut spots. Another thing is that appaloosas can come in any color. There are typical colors, but they CAN be any color and I have seen three black appaloosas with chestnut speckling. Comet is part appaloosa. Here are a few links to appaloosas with odd coloring, and many of them are very alike to Comet's Colors and they clearly point to breeding a black appaloosa with chestnut speckling.

www.scottishappaloosas.co.uk/Marty/katie3.jpg
www.yknotranch.com/images/sonny_p1hz.jpg
www.marshcreekfarm.com/images/CJ-20070505a2.jpg
www.equineinspections.com/RESULTS%202007/Sporthorse%20Pics-Pine%20City/Finally_0150%20600pxl%20101307.jpg

I also found a record of an appaloosa with this coloring:

Black mare (NC App) Chestnut near-leopard filly 70% white
“Bright Eyes Spirit”

This is not fake, the link is here. There is more than just one of this coloring on the records too.: www.reining-appaloosa.com/PuzzleWorthSolving.htm

[DingoMutt]

Unless you can find an image of a black horse with chestnut spots, then I'd say you still need to change her color.
The first horse, while it does have some serious stuff going on with the base coat, the spots are white. Not a different color from the base coat.
The second horse, again has a rather odd pattern, but the markings/appaloosa pattern are white.
The third one is a rather small picture, but from what I can tell the horse's spots are white.
The fourth horse has an interesting blanket, but is still only one color. Black, with a large blanket.
Again, unless you can find a picture of a black horse with chestnut spots, her color needs to be changed.

[Haley]

Okay, I don't want to get into an argument or anything, but none of those horses you listed were black with chestnut spots. The first is a palomino snowflake, the second a black frost (varnish?), the third a either a chocolate palomino or a silver dapple snowflake and he fourth is a black semi-leopard. And then the thing you listed at the bottom, if you read the site it says that it's a mare and her foal's coloring. The mare was black and gave birth to a chestnut foal. Comet's color is just not possible. You can't have a black base coat with chestnut spots, I'm sorry.

[Sammy]

Starfire, seriously, don't blow the good credit you've gotten by doing this. It's not possible, period. You do not get black horses with chestnut spots, period.

Don't believe me? Well, you're only insulting eighteen years of horsewomanship, six years of biology and genetics, and sixty two years combined with two of my family members. And that's just me.

Seriously, don't. You're doing nobody any favours, and I really don't feel like doing my bitch-Admin run just because you can't handle your special character being criticised. You told me just a few days ago you were eager to become a better RPer. Well, guess what. Taking criticism and implicating realism into things is a part of them.

Now, if we were asking you to KILL Comet, or change her breed, or something, then sure, I'd see the point of you doing this. But you've been asked sensibly and calmly to just tweak it a little. For REALISM'S sake. Black with white spots, chestnut with white spots...is it really going to kill you?

Also, don't make a public poll and a scene out of this. It's not fair on the Admin team, and not fair on the rest of the site members. Got an issue, deal with it privately.

[Flame]

I have to agree With Sammy. I know how it feels to have to change a favorite character, and believe me, i've had to do it more then once, but you have to do what the Admin says. It's not fair to anyone that you have done this. Now on a full on horse fantasy site you may be able to get away with this, but being that this is a realistic Horse RP you have to go with realistic colors. Just tweak her color a little, and this can all be over. She's still the same character, just a different color.

[Haley]

And I agree with Sammy and Flame. I can see how you don't want to change her color, but it isn't much. You're just changing the spot color or getting rid of them all together, if anything. I've had to change things on and about my characters on different sites, too. I know how it feels. D:

[secretstarfire]

ok well i still know its real because i saw it. It doesnt even matter that much anyway because i have my own rpg site that is really good and I dont play this one anymore really either. Just saying I wasnt trying to start a fight, I emant to send that as a pm but it wouldnt let me. I just wanted to keep her color because its real but forget it i guess. And I know none of those horses were black with chestnut spots they werent all supposed to be. Please dont be offended or anything because I promise im not trying to be mean. Also, I found a picture of a horse with this coloring a few months ago and I will try to find it to prove that I am not lying, meanwhile please at least least do more research because I may not be able to find the picture.

[Haley]

It was probably a dark bay with bend or spots. Even then there wouldn't be a bunch.. Unless you can find me a picture or two (or more would be nice), I will not believe that a black horse can have brown spots. So are you saying that you're leaving Fire Eyes? Is it because of this or just because you have your own site?

[secretstarfire]

Ok, this is what I have found so far.

For this link look at the bottom post
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090101190337AAYxO4z

Read the third paragraph in this one, dont worry, it is short!
www.jenniferhoffman.net/horse/appaloosa.html

more coming

[Haley]

Again, none of those have to do with a black horse with brown spots.

[Sammy]

Black horses do not have spots. Unless they are grey or white, which makes them an Appaloosa. The only time a dark horse might have spots or anything that looks like them is when they are a bay.

And for the record, one of those photos is photomanipulated. And you want to play fire with fire? Then I'll play it. Hey Starfire, I once had a horse. He had black points that looked like rings on his hooves and flanks. Guess what? He was a bay Standardbred. And I loved him to death before I lost him, but I did not go throwing this hell around when he was criticised.

And that was a real horse.

And I'm sorry to say, but flinging your own RP site line back in our faces and threatening to leave? Well, sorry sweetie, but you just lost any respectability when you did that. It's ridiculous, and what the RPers that I've had to deal with over the years do. The ones that make the rest of us look bad.

And this is over a character's COLOUR, no less. That makes it even more laughable.

So why don't you reconsider how you said that, before you really make a mess.

[secretstarfire]

calm down im dont want to play fire with fire all im trying to do is try to find a pic so i can keep my chracters color. and im not threatening to leave im saying im not going to get all competitive about this. and please dont call me starfire its the name of a horse i once had that died, call me secret ok and also I found out what I want to change comet's color to while I am looking for a pic. White with blue eyes and chestnut rabicano. I will go change her profile rly quick

[Sammy]

Aha. Aha. This is me being calm, I'll have you know. No, seriously, it is. You just happened to allude to several things I'm tired of having to put up with on RP sites over the years.

And fine, Secret. But hey, that's good to know to know you're actually changing it now. Thank you.

[secretstarfire]

XD kool. as long as you still change it when I find a pic ^^

[Sammy]

Hey, Secret. I've done my research (inadverdantly helped by Sadie - thanks sweet!) and I still stand by there being no such thing as a black with chestnut spots. However, I've found something close to what you may have been thinking, and I believe this may be where you've crossed wires.

So get ready for a brief Unusual Horse Markings 101:

Sooty: Sooty is a common color modifier that can act on both red and black based coats. Sooty, also known as smutty or countershading, causes dark hairs to be spread throughout a horses coat, usually concentrated from the top of the back down. Sooty horses often have spectacular dappling because of the contrast of colors in their coats. Sometimes the sooty hairs are concentrated into lines resembling leg barring and dorsal stripes on non-dun horses. Some horses are so sooty that their true color is unrecognizable. For example, some sooty buckskins have been mistaken for dark bay or black horses.

Sammy: This could be possibly what colour you imagined for Comet. However, it's not a black coat with chestnut spots...t'is a dun to chestnut coat with sooty dappling that looks dark grey or black, like soot.

Reverse or White Brindle: Most brindle horses have dark stripes on a lighter body color, but a rare few have white stripes on a dark body color. As with regular brindles, the genetics of white brindles are not understood. It is possible that the white hairs from sabino or rabicano markings are arranged into lines like sooty hairs are in regular brindle coats. It is also possible that white brindles are chimeric.

Sammy: This is another possiblity, however it's always white markings, not chestnut or anything darker. It is an idea though, for you to consider.

Birdcatcher spots, named for the Thoroughbred stallion who exhibited them, are small, round, white spots scattered throughout a horse's coat. In many cases, the spots appear and grow in number for a period of years, and then gradually fade away. Sometimes, the spots will persist throughout a horse's lifetime.

Sammy: Same as the aforementioned one, really.

This might help you, and help clear things up a bit.


(Information taken from White Horse Productions - Encyclopedia of Markings)